Season 1 - Episode 11 - Robert Sarzo of Hurricane, Diane And The Deductibles

spk_0:   0:10 it never rain lays a yeah way Want to change your life? Don't be so hazy Take the night off at the saloon Shot nonstop rock rock with tight with Tyson Right at Brighton. Hey, Robert. Welcome to nonstop Rock talk. It is pleasure to speak with you once again, my friend. Good to spk_1:   1:14 see you as well spk_0:   1:15 as I'm always falling What you're doing on Facebook? There may be some listeners that aren't quite sure what Robert stars it was up to. Please give me kind of an update of all that pertains to you musically. spk_1:   1:27 Well, uh, I'm working with her again. The lineup is totally colossal myself on, uh, shat casino or vocalists and my cancer. And, uh, I'm also working with the end of the dock troubles on you know, we have been doing different records right now. We've been in a studio working on the third record on that one. Has key flinch on guitar myself, league it hard. Uh, Diane adults and we also have clean cliff rejig. Her husband is a bass player. And Ronnie see ibu and I'm also working with Idol X, which is a preview thio Billy Adel's music and Mac, you're able heart is our singer in that project. So I'll do that. And, uh, yeah, a lot of writing. spk_0:   2:30 That's good. I know that some. I mean, I've seen the idol X stuff on your Facebook page. And man, he looks like Billy. Look, it is, spk_1:   2:41 you know, good thing is that he's ah Punker himself from way back. So he's actually a bass player that also, you know, he sings, No, but barely out of doesn't play bass. He just put the base down and we have a bass player. Ah, but he does look like him. He has really study here. You don't person aren't for Thio to do a tribute you the way people look att Trib use nowadays, uh, you know the stuff of formats for Prevue there's the cloning, which is what he's basically is doing. He doesn't really well, he's the past at it that I've seen Billy Idol. I've seen other ones. No, um and he doesn't try and company action because that really gets to the point that you become cheesy if you try to talk with an English accent. But if you look at it, talk my an artist uh, that is doing a tribute to to, let's say, Billy Idol. And he walks like and things like him. An ex liked him onstage. Uh, you know, you gotta study. You really gotta follow. What? That person, guys? Because he still, you know, performing Billy, I'll So, uh, but everybody else in this band is doing their own thing. So it's just, you know, Ira legs is basically Manimal. Okay, Leon. And luckily, belly adults had different top players besides us. Even so, I get to be the boom and playing guitar on the tribute to Billy a little. So it Edwards, spk_0:   4:22 I was gonna ask you that if you did this Steve Stevens or you just you were just you, which is kind of, you know, um, I spk_1:   4:29 make I'm playing may ask me and playing Steve, Steven And where else played guitar also on other recordings? Because I believe I mean, I haven't really totally research, but I remember other people that also did play with Billy because, you know, speak even when he did his solo career. Also. So, uh, Billy had other people, so Yes, a great cavil on, uh, I enjoy the, um the things that you know, speak. Steven has done the work that he's done on ah building. And, you know, I look back and we kind of Cory alone. The same style of music. I have played progressive music. I have played a new wave music back in 1979 80 and work with an artist called The Old Byron Aristo Records. And ironically, we we had the same drummer, Tommy Price and play. But Billy Animal under recordings after deal Beiring Hey, wasn't maybe Joan Jett Tommy Price in New York. But I was in New York City. That record was them with Jimmy. I mean, in New York, that record plan and that was the river than I dare to work with the old Byron on. Uh, so we've above in New York doing the same thing kind of the same time. Listen to progressive music and new wave You with music. It has a different technique of playing on the guitar. Uh, there's a lot of down picking. You're gonna be really precisely gonna be playing 16 and eight snows or really, Even so, it's not just strumming up and down, up and down. You got to be doing a lot of that is gonna be even immunity. So it's a technique, not a lot of guitar players that had to do. But I did it back in the seventies, goes. That's less a style that if you wanted to record records, that's what you did. And I also recorded a Garland Jeffreys of reggae orders. Uh, in 1979 also on the record plan for ah, movie Times Square. Robert, stay quit. So you know when you do session work, you've gotta be pretty, uh, prepared to play, you know, different styles of rock or even more agday. If you want to work, you're going to get that union check, which is pretty NYSE and royalties. You prepare yourself, right? That's cool. I have no idea. That catalog, you know, is, uh, people. When I first started working with a Iot like they were kind of cure is that I was working with the tribute band. But being on station, looking for the audience, it's the same people. They just love music. And, uh, yeah, it's fun. It's a cool thing and, you know, working with bandits, great people to bond thio, you know, work in writing. We just say the writing that I do with Diane, it's different in the writing I do with her game. Frank. It's a totally different style. Is more country? Is Americana a little more, uh, progressive? Maybe at times I get to really experiment. You know, different styles. Where Hurricane, That kind of staple. That Merrill was younger, you know. Yeah, but I do. I don't still get to play with my meeting guitar, which I did back in 1984 were Hurricane. I was the first artist to go on tour, Um, introducing the meeting, which is musical instrument digitally interface on. Another cool thing is Steve Steven does that. I see him doing that now that he plays with me ticket or in a stage, and I you know, I've had those systems from way back, so that's what I mean, you know, it's kind of it's the same kind of style, so it's really, uh, uh, easy for me to just understand what's going on when I listen to the music and when I got to do right to deliver your six, I'd make you know I wanted to make it sound as realistic as possible in any project that I do that I'm working. spk_0:   8:42 Do you does? Do you guys play Generation X? Stuff is well, indeed. spk_1:   8:47 Yeah. Yes. Radio. That's quote that myself. It's an old song. spk_0:   8:52 That's news. spk_1:   8:54 Okay, we don't kiss me deadly acoustically. So, um, yeah, I play that acoustically, uh, with a good guitar because I noticed the acoustic of being guitars in electric. Also, we just happened to have, you know, the same, um, stuff. Same styles and stuff, huh? Yeah. Ready. Player two was kind of fun, you know, playing. You know, music is written, spk_0:   9:20 right? I, um I was I just read a Billy Idol's book. Actually, spk_1:   9:26 July, I read it spk_0:   9:28 is very good. I like that. I mean it. It talks a lot of it. The whole, you know, like the generation X stuff. And then how he ended up in in the United States, and it was really good. It was good. Every guy actually read it on a trip. Um, I was on, like, on a trip, important to go in. We were like, we did three big cities, so we're on the boss for, like, a bunch of it, right? So I just write the book on the boss and finished it by the time we went home. So that's right. It was good. It was good to read. spk_1:   10:01 Yeah, I bet. I bet it was a great journey, you know, living, you know, reading when he slipped through. spk_0:   10:08 Yeah. I mean, there's things about him. I didn't realize that, like when he came to the United States, he was, you know, like, he was heavily into the drugs. And even before he put it the first album, right? So Oh, that's kind of surprising. spk_1:   10:25 You know, it's is just, um it's just I don't know what you know. Just the drug things is so crazy because some people are able to get out of it and some people cannot get out of and they die young. Um, it's Yeah, broads are, I don't know. I was never really, uh, in favor of drugs. Were just abusing anything yet. No, I might be worse for us. It works for some artists that lets him know it enhances the writing or their ability to to put up with certain things that are going around them, you know, are happening. And some some people benefit from it makes them more famous. spk_0:   11:17 Yeah, I know. I mean, there's certain artists that have written some of their best stuff on, you know, high. So I mean, I I'm kind of in the same boat, is you? I mean, I don't really I don't know, abuse anything. And I've never had a problem with anything, but, I mean, some pupils personalities are more addictive than my you know. spk_1:   11:36 So, yeah, there's some people make it out of it, and that will make it through it. You know, some people are able on, um, so but, hey, I don't encourage people to be doing drugs trying to write cool songs. spk_0:   11:54 Exactly. Exactly. I, um so I thought was really cool to see that, um, your brother Rudy and yourself. We're doing some things that Nam, right. Wow. I I I'm actually I mean, I've been a huge fan of Rubies as well for many years, and I wanted the best musical box I had. Better I have ever read is off the rails with the Wizard of Oz. Um, it was it's a really good read. And if anybody's there, it hasn't read it. I would totally um, tell people to pick it up. But, um, that was really cool to see you guys. Both, uh, doing something together. spk_1:   12:33 You know, we could have been in our bathroom back in Mary Abbey in 1971. We were going the same stuff. Yeah, just like that. Uh, just not as developed. But that's you know what we would do? We will sit around and play that and rehearse in the bathroom and dream of someday, you know, um, being a massive amount of audios that would actually get to see where you were doing. Uh, that was very intimate. What we did there and we didn't always said, was the key and the tuning that we were on and I just started or that was part of it that he just started. I just jumped on it. Now that I'm thinking back on that now, you gotta bring some tracks. Um, that I kind of, you know, added and put together, but that the most fun of it wasthe when we did the acoustic and we were just feeding off each other's energy. That's cool. And and I playing back. Listen to what? You know, some people have recording their phones and they place on social media. And that's my favorite cause I was. It wasn't planned. Yeah, we could do enough hours. We grew up in the jamming era. Right then we're ready to a four o'clock in the morning, and we were starting to think in a 30 at night, six nights a week. That's a lot of shops, a lot of playing, a lot of creative. That's a lot of creative, and you would have people like Jack Bank in the audience, especially at a place called The Flying Machine. If a lot of don't I talked to Frankie about Franco Benelli about it, used to hang out there and play with us a lizard. But it was a very well known place and pull out a bill through in the seventies and that Alice Cooper will be there and everybody will come down and visit. Get away from Detroit. The cold weather, that's where they will go. It will go. Flying machine was, uh, one of the biggest rock clubs over there. Oh, I was. I was part of the house band there when I was a teenager. 16. Sanity 18. That's cool Yeah. spk_0:   14:50 Who's actually I'm sorry. No, it's okay. Who's actually older. You are Rudy, my brother. He has okay by four years. Really? Wow. So you were so he was, like, four years older than you and you were jamming with him. And, you know, I guess you were kind of like picking up what? He was probably listening to us. Well, and spk_1:   15:13 way started the same time. I really There was stuff really young really early, uh, leaving communism, leaving Cuba, leaving everything behind. It was like a wake up call in my life. Right? And, uh, I had to really figure stuff out really young where I wanted to go. What? I have to dio Yeah, things weren't just ended 2 May I had to realize that it will learn guitar and to build one. I had to, you know, negotiate, you know, meaning no change. Uh uh. Baseball cards that I had maybe for some guitar parts. Uh, we left everything behind in Cuba. So my barons laughter My mom, my dad, actually, he left his trade in Cuba. So when you come to a new country for freedom, uh, you're giving up a lot of things but you're gaining a lot of freedom. So you can start Frankel over again And freedom That what you gain your keep what he had gained in Cuba. He Kornacki, right? Because, you know, people took over, so he was taking it all. So we flew back. We flew here with Visa. One of the despite the last few months, I was left of people leave in Cuba. Really? Yeah. And then clearly, you know, on the open market with these spk_0:   16:41 I I actually have a book that I bought in Cuba when I went on vacation about its home. Everything in regards to health. It all came into power. And it was Batista before him, right? I believe, spk_1:   16:54 right. That is Yeah. spk_0:   16:56 Yeah, I You know what? I still have to fully read it. I haven't. I started it, but I haven't. It goes into a lot of stuff. Like how everything happened there, so Yeah, well, it's Ah, The thing is I mean, I started reading it, and I'm like, this is gonna be a long book because it looks small, but there's like, you know how sometimes they put a lot of words on a page, so here. It's one of those boats that I have to sit down and really focus on. So just a casual reading stuff. Something that I think that I'm gonna have to really concentrate on. spk_1:   17:34 Yeah, there was a lot of, uh, you know, selling by Feel like I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna, you know, improve this. Improve that. And basically, uh, he was just another con man. Yeah, that was just, you know, trying to sell an idea. And all along, hey, was just telling people went to one of the year. Mmm. And when he came into power, he's like, that whole concept was out. You know, the windows like, yeah, right. Yeah. You know, spk_0:   18:14 heard of before. Not one before, right? Yeah, it does. They were, Yeah, but I mean, you were lucky to cook. You ended up over in the States, and yeah, in life is I spk_1:   18:29 90 miles away. But it was a flight away, and we came, uh, wearing a three piece suit. But that's a whole nother chapter. Yes, actually, my brother Night out hiss radio show with a two and 1/2 hour interview. And it's been broadcast, and it talks about us leaving thoughts about disease is four years older. So he told me things that I really didn't understand. And then, you know, it was therapy for me and him. We opened up about a lot of things. Even the, uh, that ho, um, chapter off when Randy died and nausea call me and sharing flew me to Los Angeles. And after being here, learning the songs and rehearsing with the band, I was in the band to finish the tour. And, uh, yeah, it's really an interesting, um, interview. But how do you know? We never got to talk about how his feelings, how we felt after that. It's just more concerned where you know, him losing his best friend and, you know, band Man. And it was really very emotional interview with him and I together. He was interviewing, made by it was we both opened up. It was really good. spk_0:   19:57 Wow. I can I will check out it for sure. I'm very interested to hear it now. It is spk_1:   20:04 not a podcast. You can play it back. It's got spk_0:   20:06 No, you can't. Uh oh. It was live, Was it? spk_1:   20:09 Yeah. Dash radio spk_0:   20:11 Okay. That's too bad. I would like to hear that. That's cool. I spk_1:   20:17 read it times already. They say Yeah. spk_0:   20:20 Really? Yeah. Um, Now, let's go to hurricane a little bit. Um, like you mentioned you. I mean, you guys were still it playing. Um, you just played it The winds to you recently. spk_1:   20:35 That is correct. And we also played in Denver, Colorado, Right. Uh, two weeks ago at the van, you and we tried out a few new songs, and we're working on some more songs. Um, we're also gonna be in Maryland, um, March next month. spk_0:   20:59 Oh, at the, um, yes. Ballroom. Blitz. spk_1:   21:04 Ballroom blitz will be there on Saturday. spk_0:   21:07 Yes, I may be there. Actually, I talked to brightly. Yeah, I talked to rapidly two weeks ago, and, um, it looks like he's gonna put me up, so hopefully I will Only hopefully I will make it, and we'll get to meet in person, so spk_1:   21:25 that would be great if you want to do more chatting there, you know, just bring up, but not your phone record. Yeah, exactly. So that would be a fun event. That's gonna be good. A lot of great bands. spk_0:   21:37 Yes, a lot like, really, he's put together a really good line up. So we are excited to see it. Yeah, there's a there's, I mean, on Friday night. There's, uh, an interesting thing without being dirty looks with the singer from dangerous toys doing that, That seem to be kind. That's gonna be kind of cool. So hopefully hopefully I can make it. Oh, I hope I can. It's about Ah, 9 10 hour drive for me. So spk_1:   22:07 that day's work spk_0:   22:09 exactly. Exactly. I went, I'm three. Last year. It was the same amount of time. So spk_1:   22:14 yeah, you're right outside Montreal, right? spk_0:   22:17 No excited Toronto about to spk_1:   22:19 rock? Yeah, Montreal, Toronto Hurricane did a lot of touring back in the eighties around there. spk_0:   22:28 Yes. I wish I had been old enough to come see you guys when you guys were kind of like playing. Then I was still I wasn't. You guys probably played a lot of it was probably clubs. Was it or did you play open for spk_1:   22:43 Oh, we did both. And I remember one time we were there with Garry Moore, the guitarist. Cool. Yeah, on Espenson, Davis West, here in the audience. And you know with us. spk_0:   22:58 That's neat. spk_1:   23:00 Uh, yeah. So yeah, it was very good. I always great fun memories of playing in in Canada in musical event. You with Dr Queens? Right? We spk_0:   23:13 were. That's a spk_1:   23:14 few times, Yes. Theater. Earth casinos. Yeah, we did a few. spk_0:   23:22 Yeah, Jeff's actually deploying. Just hates playing in, um Niagara, New York. Now you're Falls New York invaded two weeks and probably I'm gonna go to that show. No, that's yeah, So I'm looking forward to that. So I mean, is speaking of the old days with Hurricane, Let's touch on the like to talk to on the two albums you did with me and a little bit. Um, I was actually recently back on Labor Day. I was robbed, my house got robbed and I lost a few guitars and 202 100 albums. So in that lot of albums were my two hurricane releases. But I was able to get new copies through this car, so I'm to be honest. Ah, the take what you want albums that I just got was actually still sealed in the packaging with the original promo sticker on it. I did open it because I wanted to play it. But it was so cool to get this album from, you know, from theeighties unopened and then gets to play it for the first time. That was really cool. Um, over there, Yeah, and over the edge was ah, have the plastic on it, but it was open in it, but it doesn't look like it was played might either. So that was a good score. I mean, it went from a bad that it turned into a good right because, yeah, I got these copies. So spk_1:   24:46 the oppressing I'll take what you want the actual sticker on the late on the vinyl mob say enigma. Or there's a say, Goring world. spk_0:   24:56 It's enigma on the actual label. On site of the final yes theory spk_1:   25:01 was Green World Hurricane West, spk_0:   25:05 right? Those were the first crossings, right? Yes. Yeah. No, this one's an enemy. An enigma process for sure. Okay, because I I looked all through it and searched it. The sicker actually has a It's talks of it with a band like to stick around the outside of the album and promo sticker. And then there's a little caption on the bottom. That and he suffered from hit parade or said something about it, which was It was cool to see that. spk_1:   25:35 Yeah. I don't know. That's a really good song. Um, I just was listening again to Will I take me in your arms? Um, I just wish the recording was some fidelity was better. Mixed. Better? Yeah. Kevin Beatniks was producing it, and he had to. I believe that was the agreement. He wasn't sure if he was gonna be ableto Mr Recording. So that's why we only recorded, you know, we caught it, but we ended up calling a six pack. Yeah, because he went to its supply. I believe it was air supply that he had to go and produce. And of course, that was brand. But, er yeah, with us, it was just, you know, a almost a damn ball kind of recording that we were doing. We were self financing. The whole thing. Yeah, a neighbor was Bob was It was, uh yeah, it was self financing. We all got money from friends, family, and we rented our lockout, uh, in, uh, where was recede? Er, um, and anyway, we we went and recorded the start recording tracks and different studios. So that's why we get out of it. So, you know, we were locking that. We got at least able to do that. spk_0:   26:58 Right? I, um I was listening to, uh, Hurricane the song Hurricane, which is messing with the hurricane. More last put it title as verging on the only home. And, um, what I find interesting about that song is actually how you play it. Like how you're playing. Because the engine was kind of like on the down stroke. And then and then as it's going into the song into the verse and what not? Then he started doing it up and down pick. It's like it seemed to me in the eighties, the guitar players did a lot more of that than most genres where it was really using. That gets hard to to kind of build up, um, the song itself and shell casings on the guitar going into the vocal and what not. I mean, there are so many guitar players in the eighties, that kind of did that. Uh, I don't know if you feel the same way about, but I just I That was something as I was listening, not selling the other night that I really wasn't going kinda. He changed it a little bit and it just made it really extra cool. spk_1:   28:09 Well, it was so recorded live on. I think it goes back to being, you know, too. Setting up a song. Uh, you kind of want it built. So it keeps growing and growing and growing. And when I produced an artist, I produce someone. I'm gonna be producing the next hurricane record. I've won everybody, of course, to be playing live and every verse. Every chorus should be slightly a little different to make it more interesting and growing. So it's not caught and paste and Kat and pays in company. We just went. A lot of people are doing down base. They're getting really comfortable, too comfortable with that ability of doing that Yet, Um, I like things to grow, so I should produce it. I wanted to build up vocally. I wanted to be building up the second chorus a little more than the first chorus, you know, and on and on and on. And when it comes to the solo is, you know, a continuation off the bulk of melodies Day previously, so Yeah, I can see what you're talking about that that I was doing with the top play. Um, but now that you know, I hear back and to me it's just natural. So it's an interesting they broke it down that way. I don't play the same as other guitar players, uh, in my field because I grew up with Sasa Latin music, a lot of Pompey riddles. So I in my right hand, is very rhythmic, and I'm very into separating certain compressions of technical being technical now, but with different harmonics and palm beauty. So you complaint. One knows so many different ways, and I tried to do that as I'm playing through the whole song. But everything has a signature meaning when you play it again at that section of the song. When you play live, you're gonna do that again. That's your signature. That's what you did. You may be a little patient, Monica on a certain note and a little bad, and you know, that's just what I play. Like a Cuban player. I play almost like the horn sections were playing, you know, on a guitar solo, because that's what I grew up as a child listening to some music or in sections, you know, orchestras. So I go. I started on the guitar players that things that they do from other countries and, uh, you know, Britain, the British guitar players. But everybody's always emulating somebody else. I mean, get the British guys like Clapton, enjoy Shop Person or that they were listening to people in Memphis they were studying when they were doing and Chuck Berry and certain. But it's kind of like researching everybody. But well, when I played my own thing, that's you know, it goes back to my comfort zone. Bess, you know that that style, that Latin style, the phrasing that I use spk_0:   31:27 Yeah and rhythmic What? Your phrasing. I really enjoyed listening to it. That's spk_1:   31:32 right. Thank you. It's right. It's different. First, O'Connell And just like my action would have speak. I don't hear anybody people. You're an accident. So spk_0:   31:41 right, that's one. Now, Yeah, What? What I find funny and it's obvious on these releases is the fact that there are beautifully on the two releases. Beautifully plays women whose breasts opportunity through their clothes with very hard nipples. Who know was so, uh, spk_1:   32:05 you're really paid attention. You notice spk_0:   32:07 Well, how could I think? I think it's pretty obvious that it's funny now. Was that something that you guys did or was that more? Well, I mean, the 1st 1 was self financed. But was that was that, like a concept that the label kind of wanted to continue with her? How did between the two albums, How did that all kind of combo? spk_1:   32:33 Well, everybody in the band loves women. Uh, there's this beauty to women, especially not in a disgraceful way. You know, posting the naked or, you know, it's just very innocent, very natural. And it is art. It's like beautiful curves, you know, It's just the expression, the innocents. So, um, it's just way like that. We like to express. We appreciate women. We like the way they make us feel, you know, in a romantic way. And, you know, and, uh, is that burning desire? You know that Hey makes us who we are. So that there was something that you know the whole band felt and they were really enjoyed. What's better than rock and roll album? Having a beautiful girl in front of it? It would have been cool. Also, if we had a cool car, you know, also, but we want promoting cars. So, you know, uh, we want to keep a simpler, but yeah, that that was not the record. That was our cause. Actually, with an egg money gave us the the freedom to express ourselves. I was spk_0:   33:57 aware, but where are you? Yeah, sure. Some other labels. We're probably videos. Yeah, spk_1:   34:07 give us the artistic freedom. You know, something that we wanted from the beginning and told him that this is part of what we want to do. We were really trying to be real Poppy and ride real cheesy. I mean, the first franker had kind of more of what we were going through on the sunset strip, you know, playing. And, you know, it was just But we were all young. There was a lot of young people around us. So, like the girls around to make, you know, that's just what we were going. There's a lot of girls out tonight, and, you know, uh, it was great. So as the second album came around when we were writing it, definitely, you know, different topics, like over the edge. You know, feeling over the edge. Uh, if we would have containing all of us together where kind probably gotten really political and interesting And we were all into playing, you know, more progressively meaning and different time signature and having little twist in our soft. We didn't want to write just for radio. And even though the people a row for the radio and just roll really poppy lyrics, uh, better ones that are really doing the big van us now, right? 40 years later. But yeah, we just wanted to get a little bit more, uh, deeper into reality about live. But, you know, it is what it is. The band broke out really young. Uh, we just we forced whatever reason, no reason to analyze things, that band. And it just started falling apart. A lot of it had filled with, you know, because of the record company and the tour support. And just being out there playing over 200 shows a year in really rough conditions, it was really It wasn't easy. spk_0:   36:08 Yeah, and that's too bad. I mean, because I mean it seemed the Momenta MBE from over the edge. The album seemed to do really did really decently, right? And spk_1:   36:24 But we will go to the stores. And our elbows weren't there. We struggled through that. We were 10. Most requested MTV, and we will go into the record stores, and we will have no records there. spk_0:   36:41 You're actually not the first person I've heard that from. spk_1:   36:44 I know. spk_0:   36:45 You know, spk_1:   36:46 I made that. So that's dangerous, you know, because the reason you were going out there and promoting was so you can sell records. Yeah, exactly. And then what happens? It's a week later, another band comes in. So the person that went that was wholly 100 of money, uh, went ahead and bought another record. You know, when you're a teenager, you went by something. You wanna buy something? spk_0:   37:12 Well, yeah, exactly. I mean, I was a teenager. I mean, if if I saw something on up here, would have been much music on the power hour, which was the same as them TVs, um, headbangers ball. Um, I would go into the store and buy it right away if I saw it on. If I saw the video and liked it, I would I would be in the store buying it probably the next day, right? Or whenever I could save enough money to go on by it. But yeah, you know, that's that's really unfortunate that they didn't support it, because onto you did seem to do very well. spk_1:   37:49 It was top 40 very well s o b Obel, even over the edge video. Yeah, go to the video. They were most requested. I would turn on the radio on the road, and our songs were on the regular radio stage on tour, So bye, you know, well, I mean, we were out with our maiden touring, became an arena band even though we were supporting, We're headlining, but we were on our way. They're to be headlining, but just thinks like that and coming home And this really know, you know, because of the record situation, there was no money. You come home and you're still, you know, with the finance. Or they should go. I've had. So at least you can, you know, have some breathing space. So, you know, Bennett face any human being, right? I mean, around they're really working really hard. And we were gone for months and months. You know, not seeing your family and that having a cell phones, you could even make phone calls. Um, there's a pay phone, and, um, you will be gone for a few months, actually, um, and you come home this you have no money, you know, put away and you got to go in and I will travel with a four track Taschen to 44. So my base off, I would lock myself up in the hotel room, and I will be riding song writing. Be prepared. So when I got back home, go straight to the studio recording studio kind of rancor and go back out again. Well, good for you. Well, the work ethics is still, you know, still there. I still do that. I have a minute, Ariel, right? You know, But I have put together, uh, right before you call me of a song writing, writing lyrics. Nice, huh? So, yeah, I'm in a heavy writing mode right now. Again. spk_0:   39:58 Further for the next. For the hurricane stuff. Yes. Nice. I'm looking forward to hearing I'm very looking forward to that. Um What I did want to ask you was so when you guys were when Hurricane was playing in the clubs How many songs would typically be in a set? I also because take what you want is only six on six songs. I would assume there was more material written. Is there any unreleased material from that era in a vault somewhere? You know, he always liked to say the vault. And were any of the songs, um, on over the ads holder holdovers from that time period? spk_1:   40:38 Well, uh, yeah. Good question. When we were out pushing the e. P. Um, we were out with rib damage. Er, Johnny Winter, Um, Garry Moore. We were just supporting, So I think we were doing about 40 minutes. Said maybe 45 with drum solo guitar solos in some bass solo. So that kind of stretched it to be the 45 minutes curfew. So that kind of work. And then when we went back on, recorded over the edge, then now was suddenly had more material, obviously, uh, no. We don't have anything like them in a bolt. Nothing like that. Um, I do have stuff that I was writing on my own in my task. M 2 44 right? Yeah, spk_0:   41:35 that's cool. I mean, as always, listening to the album the other night, I was thinking, I'm like, Well, there's only six songs on this. I wonder if there was more material, right? spk_1:   41:45 Well, there's a lot of Luna that spk_0:   41:49 that's right. Yes, about spk_1:   41:51 Luke. And when I wasn't there, but where was involved in mixing it, they put it on backwards reverb that it was never my intention. Yeah, And I, you know, again, Kevin Beamish wasn't there to makes it. So I think it was one of those Trippi. Nice. That may be Where was mixing it? They were on something, so they make them with severe fact. But there's another recording somewhere without all that effect that actually plays out Thio that we have recorded. I recorded that associate Sound City Studios. And I get that. I think of bringing the morning and came in, and I recorded that about myself with the engineer, and I used a really beautiful, uh, handcrafted from Spain classical guitar with really good microphones at best room. That sounds very recording with the need board. So I'm actually looking for I know. So I think Japan released Luna without all that noise. Well, that effects. Um, spk_0:   43:07 I'm gonna have to listen to. I have that song on desk on a reissue. I believe it. Waas. So I'll have to check it out. I'll have to take a listen to it because it's not only it's not all my vinyl. Yeah, spk_1:   43:21 I think it was released, and it wasa ana. And I know also we did the same. Maybe I'm confusing with baby snakes because baby snakes had the voices in the little story, and then it was released just as the music. Yeah, I think I'm stock if I cannot find the master of yourself. Damn, we record the whole thing. That's spk_0:   43:41 it. There you go. Actually, I was gonna ask you about baby steaks. spk_1:   43:47 Let's do it. Let's move. I wrote about myself. Is my my product just recorded? spk_0:   43:53 That's funny. spk_1:   43:55 Yeah, well, when I re recorded, I wanted to have islands and jell O on. You know, we're or Castro on it, so Ah, yeah, eyes and I will be with that. spk_0:   44:06 That's awesome. I can't wait. Hopefully you do, and we'll get to hear it. Um, but I actually baby snakes, and that's funny because it has always listen to the the other night um I always felt about it for that job guy, because the girl wouldn't give him the time of day. Ah, it's not so funny. It's such a funny thing. Like and then at the end, where where the sister, the sister picks up the phone and is this just it She doesn't want to talk to you. Yeah, So I mean, having two guys, How did he come up with a concept? I take it it was just an instrumental you guys had that working have been working on. And then that other stuff was on it after, spk_1:   44:49 Yeah, it was a jam that we would do it to warm up before we ever heard we had a lock out in Burbank. And, uh, we will won't Ma. We're always Jan. Three peas. Yeah, and s o a song came out of it and, uh, about bathroom, that those were his kids. I saw it. And daughter and, well, it was Bob's idea about, you know, brilliant. You know, producers working. I think he had just worked with Pink Floyd. And when he heard, uh, that instrumental goes, Oh, how about why do theirs and Rico and was actually recorded off the phone and, uh, yeah, yes, very, very interesting. But there's two versions on when he makes another move of Japan without it. spk_0:   45:40 Oh, okay. And you know what? I do want to start maybe Bob a little bit because, um, I was kind of analyzed as I was listening to that album. Um, I noticed right off the hop that the base is really hot like I had to. I had to go turn myself down. I had to go turn myself down because I was like, Oh, wow, that. But it sounds killer like it's it's really it's really is sonically good sounding album. Um, but then there was a few other things as I was less than that, I kind of I was catching. As for the intro like the Interim Spark in My Heart that there's that chime that is so cool, and it's kind of got an orchestrated feel when his kind after reading Bob the Making of Kiss destroyer book. Um, you kind of lose to the fact of where Bob Ezrin comes from and his background. And, um, it really makes sense when you hear stuff like that that those little nuances of things like that that he puts on two albums. Mmm. You know where a lot of producers wouldn't, But like, he's kind of got an orchestra like classical background. And he he likes about these little things in there, that problem? Possibly. Most listeners may not here, but for me being like I'm really trying to focus on stuff like that, I just I just thought that that was like, another one of his little touches on there spk_1:   47:12 is a signature. And he had used the level sounds already with Pink Floyd because he had a brain Neil keyboard that he was chill showing off. They had all these cool sounds, you know, just like in the studio. He brought in on David Gilmore's Little gallon crew bird that we plotted director of the board. So even though was juicing to band at, uh, at the other story of medical studios, Uh, when I did overdubs with him, but obviously we used my Klink and also used Bob aspirin, so I used a gallon Kruger. So, you know, these are things that are personal touches that therefore producers like to bring into the project sometimes don't even bring your guitar that they want you to use. Um, or don't bother one of my guitar, cuz another session which happen to me and those songs became very popular by guns and roses. So, um yeah, we are. But the, uh yeah, about Bob Brown University's keepers. I did writing with him. I will go to his house and writing sessions with him. So we did a lot of preproduction with Bob bathroom. I really enjoy being around Bob Bass run and working with him. Ah, it was very musical. And he liked the idea of, you know, Cuban. So you like the Cuban food in the coffee, so you will share. That's, you know? Yeah, He was great. Love to go. Maybe someday worked with him, but I know he's working with a lot of films stuff now, right? Uh, I saw my doctor. He's producing films and back again, huh? spk_0:   49:04 Yeah. I mean, he's mean to me. I think he's brilliant. And there was also that middle section get our part in, um, spark in my heart. That's almost got that. Saturday night's all right for fighting. Feel to it. Yeah. Yeah, and I like that. That kind of puts it out like it's It's unexpected, but it sounds so cool. spk_1:   49:27 I didn't want to do a solo. I figured rhythm. It was so cool that just incorporating the rhythm parts the Syncopation of the rhythm parts was enough. I thought that that that that's all the song needed. You know, I met a Eagle mania And where's your guitar? So they're just so Joe people that I can play right it's I play for the song and if I feel that that's what the song should have that's the Weighing. I'm gonna roll with it and I'm gonna shop something in there that I don't feel that should be there. So, yeah, it's kind of interesting that you caught that, um, at one of my favorite song is Get me an engine. That album? spk_0:   50:17 Yes, and that was actually I'm glad you say Wade into that because that has a pop rock. It's almost like a Duran Duran feel to it like yes spk_1:   50:27 and thank you very much. And the guitar solo, the way it grows with his simplicity, is a map of these is one of my favorite. It is just very melodic. Uh, no crazy technical stuff going on like it was going on back at that time, I I felt that this is what the song wanted, right? Yeah, I hear it back. You know, I still played. I'm going. Yeah, that's really fit this on Perfectly. spk_0:   51:01 Yes. It's very unexpected on the album. To be honest, spk_1:   51:04 I was I was fighting with the record company and trying to convince everybody that should have been one of our singles. That song is so catchy, spk_0:   51:18 it iss and and it would have showed the versatility of the band. I mean, maybe maybe there were thinking was from our marketing perspective of Oh, well, there are supposed to be a heavier band. We can't do this, but in my eyes, looking at it now, I think that I totally agree with you. spk_1:   51:38 I don't You know, I didn't have I wasn't in favor of releasing 18 just because Bob Bathroom did the original one and we heat it cover with us, you know, producing it. I been feeling that song the way we did. I didn't have the same magic that Alice Cooper when he first came out with it. He's different eras. That was the seventies. This is the eighties, and I felt that you gave me an edge hat. It would have made it through the charts. It went, Probably got right to the top because it was so radio friendly and so interesting. And it kept changing keys. That signature of the key could growing. Changing it will modulate. And right there that's a characteristic off a lot of songs. And make it to the charge. Barry Manilow use that formula many times. A lot of people do that. I mean, no. Yeah, I I know we're medal, but formulas, formulas. And when your song writing you're gonna break it down in a numerical way. You know, it's just there's a formula to things. spk_0:   52:53 Well, yeah, and that's true and necessary. It's not I mean, doesn't necessarily mean that the label that labels are always right either. Yeah, spk_1:   53:03 they Yeah, but again, uh, they really see all the one it wasn't. You know, I'm onto you. Yeah, I get it. Um, but give me an easy on that, and I don't think we even played a song Life. Really? spk_0:   53:21 No, no, I'm just kind of curious. I'm kind of curious how it would sound live and you know Oh, be cool. One t spk_1:   53:30 o. Yeah. I really wanted to play that life. I know it was very, uh, vocal or re Amit, but Hurricane always wound up and we sang a lot. We always saying harmonies We never, uh, you know, had a samples of our voices on stage. Never. Even though all the bands were doing that already in the eighties, they will have keeper players that were actually triggering the voices. No, we never did that. Yeah, Galley would have never gone that. And, uh, in either of us singing back up. Everything was like everything. Uh uh, but yeah, there was a lot of voters in that song, but that's what I'm a favorite song that I've ever, you know, written. Yeah, spk_0:   54:22 I like that. And it was funny because when you mentioned earlier in us talking you had mentioned about, you know, um, what what you have done before Hurricane and a kind of put it in my mind, I'm like, Okay, well, that makes sense. Why? That song may have been in there, because I you know, that was something that you probably felt, you know, like you were uncomfortable with that as well. spk_1:   54:50 Yeah, I was comfortable with, uh, you know. Yeah. Being in New York City, playing you wait music, uh, punk music in the seventies. But I left Miami where was medal, And then it became disco. Yeah. So I've had to take disco songs and play metal style just to get the song list of the club on room work there. 67 nights a week. But, yeah, it's me, my brother. And, uh, whoever else was in the band's one time it was Frankie Benelli, and it was cold lizard. But, um, yeah, I mean, that that's what you do, owe you. You played Converse. And when you throw some originals in there but yes, metal, metal, funk, funk, metal. spk_0:   55:38 And the interesting thing you did mention about, uh, my Klink working with guns and roses, and they borrowed against Hardy. Was that what you mentioned? You alluded to, But, um, was he working on appetite for destruction at the same time as you were doing over the edge? spk_1:   55:56 No. He already have recorded that. And then hey, went and work with us over the edge. And he had never worked with Bob aspirin. But when we did over the edge, I was playing with my Alvarez Thierry guitars. Hey, love the sound of him. And ah, they needed to do the Kristic album. You know, the ones that they patient no value spk_0:   56:20 in our lives, right? spk_1:   56:21 Yeah. So I gave him. Ah, my two acoustic guitars and water them actually got in the album. And, uh, yeah, it's hanging. Ah, in a case, um, on Hollywood Boulevard, I had a hard rock cafe. spk_0:   56:39 That's cool. It's funny, because thinking back to that time, if I remember correctly opted for destruction was eight. Um, when over the edge came out, but it hadn't actually hit big yet, I believe. spk_1:   56:58 No, uh, it took him a long time. Gosh, over six months after the record was out, that there was no Yeah, spk_0:   57:09 yeah, over the edge came out and I mean, my Klink was no one, but he wasn't really the hostal name that he became because of our appetite for desserts. And I think spk_1:   57:19 that time, Yeah, later. Yeah, it took a while for Guns n Roses too. Really? Um, breakthrough and I don't know why. Maybe this style was two different. I don't know. spk_0:   57:35 Yeah, it's weird because I remember welcome to the jungle, being the first single and absolutely loving it because I I actually had it before, like when it first came out because I had read about them in a magazine. You know, it was that guy. If I read about it in a magazine or I saw a video, I would go buy it. Yeah, and I remember thinking like, this album is phenomenal. I can't I don't want to see him. Why? This isn't doing what it should be doing. But it's funny. No, you listen to welcome to the jungle, and as soon as you hear that opening get are lying, it's like he's so famous, right? But it took forever. Yeah, it's, uh, it's a strange thing. spk_1:   58:14 It was one of those guys have been friends, uh, with Steven Antler. Even before he wasn't guns and roses, Tony kebabs moved in Sherman Oaks up in my apartment building on top of my actual, my apartment. He was right upstairs, and Steven Adler will go stay there sometimes and hang out. And so we knew him from before, you know, he even joined guns and roses uh, is this all those guns and roses were kind of just jams going on. So it was actually, But it's old magic. Yeah. Oh, spk_0:   58:53 yeah. spk_1:   58:54 It was just own thing. You know, uh, they were living a certain lifestyle, and it worked for them. spk_0:   59:01 Yeah, and it's yeah. And it Obviously it totally worked because, you know, look what happened. But spk_1:   59:08 we're doing stadiums now, you know? And I'm really happy for them because it's good for the industry is good for everybody. And, uh, I'm just glad that at least somebody is really making it work. spk_0:   59:22 Yes. Yes. And I agree. So moving forward. Um, So there's another Diana the deductibles album coming for, um, you're working on new material with hurricane. Um, is is the plan to do a full album with working? spk_1:   59:43 Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. Oh, um, we released on YouTube or video when he has an, um, cover off under pressure. The one that I used, uh, that was supposed to be for a film. Uh, that had nothing to do with the movie, That movie or anything like it actually re quarter that be, like, six years ago. I would just say getting there, you know, in my vault. And, uh, this decided to, you know, start releasing stuff. And that was the closest thing that I had from Hurricane. That we all work, you know, recorded that it was the most polished and finished. All I have to deal with. Just get it makes by Andy's your command and and, you know, and fix some things here and there sonically, uh, retract some stuff. And also Andy's okay, man is gonna be working with me again. So it's gonna be the same team. You're gonna get the same quality that I got from under pressure, which sounds really sweet. I love the recording of it. spk_0:   1:0:53 That's amazing. Yeah, and it sounds it sounds phenomenal. spk_1:   1:0:57 It's good record. Yeah, I'm proud of it. So, uh, yeah, I should have Ana writing rainouts and probably like, uh, five months. Awfully spk_0:   1:1:11 nice. Well, I look forward to I look forward to that. And, um, I'm sure the fans off the band are as well. It's spk_1:   1:1:19 not gonna sound like hurricane and Jack. Casino has a great it fits the band perfectly for singing stage presence. Uh, as a human being, he's just the right guy so, um, I'm really happy, you know, everybody this in the team right now. spk_0:   1:1:38 Excellent. I'm Well, hopefully, like I said, hopefully I will make it to the ballroom blitz and get so wait, miss it in person, which, uh, which will be amazing. spk_1:   1:1:49 So you might hear one of the new tools, actually. spk_0:   1:1:52 Oh, awesome. Perfect. Okay, well, that's spk_1:   1:1:54 right here. One of the new ones. Yeah, there is a pimple there. We have a ballot also, but yeah, when you keep it up a lot of energy. Um, yeah, you should go to that show. And I don't know if I told you about my signature guitars out. spk_0:   1:2:12 Oh, it is okay, spk_1:   1:2:13 American A voodoo by song, too. And, uh, he's got everything that I love for a guitar to have, you know, with the new boy roads Whammy bar And they they're coming out with the 59 Seymour Duncan pickups on the bridge on the neck. And it's got ebony fret board jumble, friends and, um, one card away. Four pots for those who don't know what parts are to mind. Control to Tom controls. Yeah. Nice. Now, spk_0:   1:2:48 like a Les Paul spk_1:   1:2:50 gone like the West Coast style, but, uh, I'm gonna start changing it, tweaking it a little bit to get away from that, because this other things that are like in the body So it has a different spacing for my hand, so that that's that's probably gonna start involving to change a little bit. Okay, so where, actually, you know, it's a musician. You know? You gotta make it comfortable. spk_0:   1:3:19 That's right. Um, so this is your signature Lying. Where would somebody if they were interested in buying one? Where would they get that from? spk_1:   1:3:26 Uh, chroma, CASS? Uh, Doc. Oh, are they could just google. They can get it on Amazon. It's available online. Uh, just go saw, too. And that's spelled S a W T. Oh, th Americana voodoo v you do you You know, up, up, And spk_0:   1:3:52 I'm gonna look it up myself, because, I mean, it's spk_1:   1:3:56 great that I was using because I used different doings. Uh, so I ma'am, I used black one that I just got off the wall, and I just grabbed it and was soon to 4 40 Standard able for a, um and that's when I was playing a long, you know, demonstrating. Mmm. plays really well, Yeah, it's this sign and, uh oh, rewired here in America, in California, you bury Bart. The body is caught, Uh, enjoy your and it's painted there. But then they should be the end, and they put it together. You know, the electronics. Now there's good. There's an offshore version. Now that has also the song to pick up. So I still has the floor, You rose. But people don't want to pay for the pickups. Um, they can get the offshore one. spk_0:   1:4:54 Okay. Yeah. I mean, the Seymour's they're not. I mean, for me, I would prefer to see Morris, but, I mean, the guy's down to price price value too, right? So, yeah, for something. spk_1:   1:5:05 Exactly. But you know, the Floyd Rose, it is an original for Rose. It's not a license part. So there again, you know, that's gonna cost extra. But, you know, for euros makes the best whammy bar. So that's right. Why not? The best I wanted, You know, I have something else in there that's not a funny rolls. Know what spk_0:   1:5:24 All exactly? Right. Exactly. Well, well, Robert, I must thank you for doing this. The podcast with me tonight I really enjoyed talking with you again. spk_1:   1:5:37 Thank you for having me really enjoyed talking with you. It is going to be able to talk to somebody a little more technical about what went on and me playing and recording and behind the whole reason when we did. And we would do it. spk_0:   1:5:52 Yeah, that's that stuff always in trust me especially. I mean, it's nice. It's nice to get those answers when you listen to something and it captures you and to be able to talk to the artist of it, that always that excites me. spk_1:   1:6:08 And, you know, that's that's one of the reasons that I like Thio actually, uh, you know, do guitar clinics and gambles Wish I'm working on incorporating it as I go out and do you know, uh, shows like, you know, I'm planning to get there like a baby before in the way I can go on in, store amusement or demonstrate what I'm using? Why amusing it and, you know, share my information and then, you know, I haven't come to the show. spk_0:   1:6:41 That's awesome. Well, that's fantastic. So hopefully, like I said, I'll see you in Maryland in a month or so And you take care. You take care of yourself in Thank you very much. spk_1:   1:6:53 Going to give you a shot out. Thio. Oh, my car companies, spk_0:   1:6:57 Of course. spk_1:   1:6:58 Okay, uh, this is right from the top of my head, uh, products that I use, And, uh and I only use it because I feel that's gonna allow me to be my best. And those are the mess up Bata bhai amplifiers there to bamboo fires. They're hand made in Italy, and that's the Holy Grail. I used the the, uh, messed up Barba Overdrive and zero overdrive is called 100 watts. And this thing is just beautiful sounding amplifier. Um, that is just sounds like the best to bab that you've ever play with. Better plant sea glass. Plenty modified place, See is really reliable. So, um and I might those speakers, um, with my blue microphone, the eye 100 and really, you know, just punches Alan through the p exactly what's going in coming on? The speakers, I guess. Such wonderful, um, comin from engineers. They're mixing the light show things like it's the basket part sounded get, you know, coming through here. You know, when I hear that it's like, Oh, okay, this is great. It's a combination of a lot of things. Uh, like, make panels. You Seymour Duncan paddles. I want people to really look at the line of Seymour Duncan panels. They're coming out some really amazing great story equality pedals that you can have in your foot. And it's something that normally you get on Iraq by rights, much easier when it's on a foot pedal. Because that way you can bring it with you. You can't bring it back with you anymore. No. And then I used me and clear total strings. I live in a boat. I live on the water, my hands swept in and playing. These strings are not coded. They're treated that rust and they last clear told strings are great. And I used my, uh, 1.14 buh pickup by guitar picks. My, um uh global gas. The same company that puts on my guitars go being guitars. I used her electric acoustic guitars. Great great guitars. Uh, let's see what else I'm using. Ruby tubes. You know, uh, for your two for you amplifiers galaxy in your audio. So I used the A s 1800 sometimes for monitors. You were in years. And that's what we're in the galaxy. Uh, they work really well, and they're much cheaper than other companies and just works. Really? Well, I'm using the line six wireless distant. The 50 50. Yeah, I use that, Um, what else am I using? No, probably a sure apple got a whole list, right? Hey, like I said, it's, like, 12 13 companies that I, uh that I Yeah, but it's stuff that I used it. I need, you know, and, uh, yeah, and I had people all the time, you know, wanted me to get involved and work with them, But if I don't feel that I didn't use it, I don't want to just take it and put her away. You know, stuff cost money, And I'm not gonna do that to any industry just to take something. Um, yeah, I'm trying to figure out, uh, I'm here on my list. Oh, I'm using the sound brand of which is an interesting devise. Um, it looks like a watch. And it is the lodge also, but it's also, uh is it is Ah, beat. It keeps the Temple off the songs you can go through many but its food, too, and it's always cool sound Brenner. And it's all, um uh, there's no sound on it. Well, that is just vibrations that the lights up, that's cool. And it's a watch. I'm wearing it right now. You said every spk_0:   1:11:33 day I didn't see it. I'm looking spk_1:   1:11:35 to see that, you see, and that's when you turn it on and then you can go here. And when I'm writing, I'll say, Okay, I'm gonna pick a temple. It's safer. So Well, I'm here and something went right on it. And then I turn it on and it tells me the temple and you can choose by college went on. What heat? And, uh, you can slow it down. He's like, Okay, that's too fast. You can do used to dial. It also has a guitar tuner. Does this thing you can pull out? It's really intense magnetic dialogue on your watch. You're gonna put it ahead talking. A medal on you can talk to her, but my my choice of 200 are Peterson. Tutors have been using those in the recording studio. It's the uh, it's a stroke tutor on. That's what I used Peterson, uh, opportunity guitars and that if I'm doing, let's see a show in his old digital going through the p A. Just wearing in years. The intention. Get for that for a TV show, Lie or or you can mix it with your two bamboo fire. But it also go direct to the p A. Or it's also fight under what amplifier? That's Devi Mark Digital is the company that puts out of Mark Base okay, and it's being marketed, said Brackets, a visual rack. And I've been using that for years and is also Italian. What's going on with the Italians, Huh? Making ritual spk_0:   1:13:08 stops. Sounds like they're busy, Uh, making cool stuff. spk_1:   1:13:13 They're making a lot of cool stuff. So, yeah, those of my main companies that I'm, you know, working with, you know, using their product. There's one that I'm also using in the studios called the Old Mac Teleport, and that is is pretty cost a little panel and you plug your quarter age coming under your guitar into it, and then that can play again through a, uh, a computer, and you can use all the digital sounds that you have a ruling in your computer through the old souls. Need Yeah, is great for strange symphony piano rings. And the tracking is really good. You don't need a special pickup. That's me. Yeah. Yes, I'm, uh, interesting company. So, uh, yeah, those are my endorsements. My mating horses. spk_0:   1:14:08 That's great. Well, I thank you very much again, and hopefully we'll talk soon, Hopefully, and thank you, Felicity. Yes, Thank you. Thanks. Robert, wait. Uh, trying to make a game wasting away. You got no one else to blame. Sun in the sky. Roosters Welcome. Crazy Get to What's your break? Thank you.

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